February 05, 2005

Ask Jeeves Buys Bloglines

(Updated 12:30pm. This was apparently going to be announced Tuesday, not Monday.)

Jeeves.jpg That's the scoop. Ask Jeeves is integrating Bloglines into their search system (it's not yet live on their main site, til Monday as reported).

Noted however that on Ask Jeeves new blog (it's a baby, three days old!) at the top, blog search, and the sidebar, Top Blogs and Most Popular Links go straight to Bloglines.

Bloglines.jpg So Mark Fletcher will be their newest employee (starting next week?). Congratulations, Mark and Bloglines! Oh, and welcome to the blogosphere, Jeeves!

One thing to note, Ask Jeeves, or any other search company, could build a system like this very quickly. What they would have trouble doing is getting all the data, structured, organized and pulled, going back more than say, a month. That's because blog posts fall off the front pages (depending on frequency of blogging and how many posts the blogger displays) and go into archives. If you think about how many kinds of blog software exist, which means many different kinds of data structures for the blog post data, which then it's very difficult to get all the various types of data structured into a single database, just imagine how all the variants of those professionally and homegrown blog publishing systems differ for archival posts. Lots of people customize their archives, as I have in MT and other blogs I participate in with Wordpress, Typepad, etc. Spidering and structuring archives is really tough, tougher than getting the stuff on the tops of blogs right. The point is, a comprehensive database of blogs structured well, going back a couple of years, is really valuable. As is the knowledge of how to put that database together, and run it, along with understanding why this kind of search is very different than those done by Google or Ask Jeeves, whose results don't understand the temporal qualities of blog data, or other aspects that make it different.

Also, I'm sure Jeeves is asking himself how I know this. I learned it from a couple of folks. Once that happened, it seemed reasonable to blog it.

Posted by Mary Hodder at February 5, 2005 08:33 AM | TrackBack
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Posted by: at February 5, 2005 01:14 PM

Blog archives ? This concept were already introduced using some RSS extension.

Link to entire archive of blog can be anounced in your blog. I've seen this somethere.

Ohh.. I've found - take a look on this
http://duderesearch.com/archives/000011.htm

If this will get wide acceptance (this requere only one major blogger to point on template/instructions for this) - BlogLines database value will decrease.

Posted by: AT at February 5, 2005 02:38 PM

When Jeeves starts to put ads on the site is when it will be make or break time. A lot of sites (Engadget for example) put up full text RSS feeds. Not only does Bloglines keep this content forever, but it would be putting ads on it.

I'm a huge fan of the service so I'm hoping for the best!

Posted by: Jon Gales at February 5, 2005 04:36 PM

Free services always diseappear. Rule no 1 for being netsavvy is not to fall in love with a service: they always change or die. So, if Ask Jeeves fucks up Bloglines - it is just to take the hike and migrate to somewhere else.

As simple as that. Remember to export your OPML.

Posted by: Survival of the filthiest at February 5, 2005 04:50 PM

Excellent advice, Survival. I do hope that any new ads manage to slide into the interface without breaking the already busy page, straining it too far and rendering the whole service too distracting. Bloglines is my favorite RSS reader yet -- I can't stand the clumsiness of Firefox's built-in reader, nor the pain of a non-browser reader. What other online services rival Bloglines?

Posted by: Nick Douglas at February 5, 2005 05:21 PM

A company in Atlanta called ThePort Network, Inc. (which I am connected with) builds a browser based RSS Reader very competitive with Bloglines, but also has a client Reader (PortReader) like Feed Demon, it's own Blog publishing system (like TypePad)and some very powerful, integrated backend analytics tools. People who like Bloglines might want to learn more about ThePort.

Posted by: Bob Cramer at February 5, 2005 07:24 PM

Lektora is new, nice and works well.

http://www.lektora.com/

Posted by: Jon Husband at February 5, 2005 07:25 PM

Hrm. I remember when MS got their hands on Hotmail. Let's hope things stay non-evil at Bloglines. Great service, and great solution to the growing problem of RSS eating up webmasters' bandwidth.

Posted by: doctorfrog at February 6, 2005 12:25 AM

Oh great -- now there's a yet another source for Ask Jeeves' patented "nonsense answers to straight-forward questions" search technology.

Misdirected traffic -- my favourite!

Posted by: Matthew Frederick Davis Hemming at February 6, 2005 04:54 AM

Neither The Port nor Lektora run on Macs, so they're useless to many of us... dare I say, many of us that you *want* to have using your product.

Posted by: joe at February 6, 2005 09:47 AM

Not to mention those are desktop apps, where there are plenty of alternatives on all platforms.

Bloglines currently really has no competitor even close to it's functionality, so I can only cross my fingers that things don't go wrong.

Posted by: mac at February 6, 2005 10:26 AM

Well it seems that all Search Engines enter into the Blogosphere and like to diversify services in direction of OPML, XML and RSS! After Google has bought Blogger and Microsoft employed Robert Scoble, it's now Ask Jeves to start the blog business!
Welcome to the Blogosphere!

Posted by: Lucas Wyrsch at February 6, 2005 11:21 AM

This "has no competition" thing is malarky.

Firstly, because Frassle kicks the shit out of bloglines, functionally.

Secondly, because a small team of developers can re-create bloglines inside of one month.

I know of at least two groups who have.

Lastly, this business about the database being valuable is also pure malarky. How interested are YOU in what the blogosphere was talking about 12 months ago, compared to RIGHT NOW?

Right. Case closed. I've done business with the folks at Ask before in years past and they never struck me as being particularly bright. They still don't. This is the "me too!" factor on overdrive.

And, a note for bloglines: selling my OPML subs along with my user profile to a search company -- not the way to retain my loyalty.

I'll be deleting my feeds and terminating my account, now...

Posted by: counterpoint at February 6, 2005 11:39 AM

At one point in time, Ask.com considered creating a second female charcter for porn searches. (Mimi the nyphomaniac?) See also: Jeeves is a pervert.

http://suck.com/daily/2000/04/06/daily.html#7
http://www.gettingit.com/article/755


Posted by: David Cassel at February 6, 2005 01:11 PM

You better take a breath. There are you feeling better now? Now let's think about this rationally and not because some idea you pitched to people at Ask years ago was turned down - there's apparently a spurned lover thing going on with you. Of course anyone can build a 'bloglines' but that doesn't mean people will use it. Ask decided it lacked feed aggregation functioanlity and search and made the correct and bold move to buy one of the best and most used aggregator out there.

Posted by: counter-counterpoint at February 6, 2005 03:35 PM

Lektora is coming to the mac (and linux) real soon. In fact, I'm on a mac right now and using it! It should go public in 1-2 weeks. If you are interested in participating in a private beta, please email me.

Jean-Francois Nadeau, Lektora author.

Posted by: Jean-Francois Nadeau at February 6, 2005 04:21 PM

Free services always diseappear. Rule no 1 for being netsavvy is not to fall in love with a service: they always change or die. So, if Ask Jeeves fucks up Bloglines - it is just to take the hike and migrate to somewhere else.

this is why the kid stays proprietary, and only tinkers with the services.

only time i'd go with the services is if its a standard, i actually care to pay for it (although that doesn't guarantee existence either), or if the underlying software is open source. if i were a corporation i could afford to think differently about this. as it stands, the kid will always roll his (or others') own on his servers (or ones he's paying for), whenever possible.

j(dont you love it when folks refer to themselves in 3rd person).

Posted by: jon at February 7, 2005 08:38 AM

Anyone know what the selling price was? Is bloglines even profitable? I have no idea what bloglines would be worth to a company like AskJeeves.

Posted by: Raymond at February 7, 2005 11:00 AM

Who Cares?

Posted by: Mike B. at February 7, 2005 11:33 AM

Anyone here tried Pluck yet? http://www.pluck.com

I'm fairly new to RSS and trying to get a feel for pros/cons of aggregators.

Posted by: John at February 23, 2005 08:13 PM

Waggr IMO is superior to bloglines and every other web based reader out there. Very quick and non-cluttered interface.

http://www.waggr.com

Posted by: Mark12 at May 18, 2005 06:53 AM

Well it seems that all Search Engines enter into the Blogosphere and like to diversify services in direction of OPML, XML and RSS! After Google has bought Blogger and Microsoft employed Robert Scoble, it's now Ask Jeves to start the blog business!

Posted by: Julia at May 23, 2005 06:05 AM

http://www.camcoo.info/
Camcoo

Posted by: Julia at May 23, 2005 06:07 AM

good move!

Posted by: mike at June 19, 2005 03:57 AM

I dislike ask.com, cuz this domain is protected by my firewall :-))

Posted by: LeXuS at July 14, 2005 05:26 AM

Bloglines lover, do you want seamless synchronization with bloglines via newsreader?
Then Check out greatnews man(http://www.curiostudio.com/).
There’s 4 major reasons why I love it:
1. It synchronizes with bloglins. Folder hierarchy is synchronized between Bloglines and Greatnews as well. you feel really comfortable to organize your feeds. You know how it sucks for feeddemon to synchronize with bloglines. Cause feeddemon only imports opml from bloglines without Folder hierarchy at all. So it’s a very hard for me to find a specfic feed and to organize those feeds. In all the desktop news clients, Greatnews’s synchronization with bloglines leaves rest news aggregators in dust. It’s like use outlook express to receive hotmail. Once you receive all the news from bloglines server in greatnews, all the news will be flagged read on bloglines online edition.If you love bloglines, you feel at home. Cause the interface and fold hierarchy looks the same like bloglines online version.
2. It’s extremely small. It only takes 800kb or so to install. You can even install it on a usb flash drive or even a floppy disk. So you take it everywhere to connect to Pc to use it. How cool is that?! It’s like you have yourself own mini newsgator server which can gurantee you won’t read the same news twice.
3. It runs with only a tiny memory and cpu engaged. So you won’t even notice it when it updates news in the background.
Above all it’s free.

You can configure greatnews to use firefox by option–>usability. Tick box before ‘open rss link in external default browser’.
As in your case, firefox is your default one.
You can also use it as outlook style by ticking view–>news list.
After that, once you click on a special feed, you will see all the news you received are displayed in a pane one by one as every single email item looklike.

There are still some sweet points about greatnews I can tell you below just in case you can put a relevant review in your website to let more people to be aware of a sweet piece of software, to less their pain of losing feeddemon.Here we go:
* 100% Unicode support. Displays international languages on the same page. Use any languages anywhere in GreatNews, including Search, Label and News watch. Like I read japanese news to do a research, greatnews displays all these south asian news so well including japanese, Chinese, whatevernese. Feeddemon can’t do this . As far as I know, feeddemon can’t support hebrew news,japanese news, and chinese news well.
** Full text search with keyword highlights. It’s very productive when you consider get things done.
* Integrated internet browser, with popup blocking. Working closely with default browser like Firefox. A kill point to please firefox fan.
* “Channel Organizer” helps organize channel subscriptions in one place. Use “Find Channel” to locate your subscriptions quickly. Again a great get things done tool.
* With Import/Export wizard, you can import/export all channel subscriptions in a single step.
* Export rss articles to rss 2.0 format. You can also customize the export by selecting channel/group/label, and/or applying filters.
*you can use ’search channel’ to keep eyes on special subject like ‘Ipod’, Like using feeddemon’s search channel and newsgator’s smart feeds. The difference is that smart feeds isn’t free but greatnews is.
There’s 4 major reasons why I love it:
1. It synchronizes with bloglins. Folder hierarchy is synchronized between Bloglines and Greatnews as well. you feel really comfortable to organize your feeds. You know how it sucks for feeddemon to synchronize with bloglines. Cause feeddemon only imports opml from bloglines without Folder hierarchy at all. So it’s a very hard for me to find a specfic feed and to organize those feeds. In all the desktop news clients, Greatnews’s synchronization with bloglines leaves rest news aggregators in dust. It’s like use outlook express to receive hotmail. Once you receive all the news from bloglines server in greatnews, all the news will be flagged read on bloglines online edition.If you love bloglines, you feel at home.
2. It’s extremely small. It only takes 800kb or so to install. You can even install it on a usb flash drive or even a floppy disk. So you take it everywhere to connect to Pc to use it. How cool is that?! It’s like you have yourself own mini newsgator server which can gurantee you won’t read the same news twice.
3. It runs with only a tiny memory and cpu engaged. So you won’t even notice it when it updates news in the background.
Above all it’s free.

You can configure greatnews to use firefox by option–>usability. Tick box before ‘open rss link in external default browser’.
As in your case, firefox is your default one.
You can also use it as outlook style by ticking view–>news list.
After that, once you click on a special feed, you will see all the news you received are displayed in a pane one by one as every single email item looklike.

There are still some sweet points about greatnews I can tell you below just in case you can put a relevant review in your website to let more people to be aware of a sweet piece of software, to less their pain of losing feeddemon.Here we go:
* 100% Unicode support. Displays international languages on the same page. Use any languages anywhere in GreatNews, including Search, Label and News watch. Like I read japanese news to do a research, greatnews displays all these south asian news so well including japanese, Chinese, whatevernese. Feeddemon can’t do this . As far as I know, feeddemon can’t support hebrew news,japanese news, and chinese news well.
** Full text search with keyword highlights. It’s very productive when you consider get things done.
* Integrated internet browser, with popup blocking. Working closely with default browser like Firefox. A kill point to please firefox fan.
* “Channel Organizer” helps organize channel subscriptions in one place. Use “Find Channel” to locate your subscriptions quickly. Again a great get things done tool.
* With Import/Export wizard, you can import/export all channel subscriptions in a single step.
* Export rss articles to rss 2.0 format. You can also customize the export by selecting channel/group/label, and/or applying filters.
*you can use ’search channel’ to keep eyes on special subject like ‘Ipod’, Like using feeddemon’s search channel and newsgator’s smart feeds. The difference is that smart feeds isn’t free but greatnews is.

Posted by: newsfree at July 21, 2005 11:31 AM

You can configure greatnews to use firefox by option?>usability. Tick box before ?open rss link in external default browser?.
As in your case, firefox is your default one.
You can also use it as outlook style by ticking view?>news list.
After that, once you click on a special feed, you will see all the news you received are displayed in a pane one by one as every single email item looklike.

Posted by: resim at February 2, 2006 08:29 AM